http://artofconv.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/contacting-your-users-in-the-open-stack-world/ Talking about Purposeful Online Conversation in Communities Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:26:32 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 http://artofconv.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/contacting-your-users-in-the-open-stack-world/#comment-131 ChadBerg Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:48:09 +0000 http://artofconv.wordpress.com/?p=139#comment-131 Trust in your OpenID provider is going to be built the same way we trust our email provider not to post our email everywhere, etc. It'll be strongly reputation linked. But the requirements may not evolve very far from where they are now; there are lots of precedents where what the law considers notice and what you or I consider notice might not meet. Look at trademark and patent law, where often the only notice issued is a compilation every quarter or so of all the awards, and if you wish to voice an objection, you must find the notice. Or some class action lawsuits where the only notice might be a small posting in the local newspapers. The law can sometimes put the onus on the audience to be alert for notifications, and ignorance of the notice is no defense in the eyes of the law. Trust in your OpenID provider is going to be built the same way we trust our email provider not to post our email everywhere, etc. It’ll be strongly reputation linked. But the requirements may not evolve very far from where they are now; there are lots of precedents where what the law considers notice and what you or I consider notice might not meet. Look at trademark and patent law, where often the only notice issued is a compilation every quarter or so of all the awards, and if you wish to voice an objection, you must find the notice. Or some class action lawsuits where the only notice might be a small posting in the local newspapers. The law can sometimes put the onus on the audience to be alert for notifications, and ignorance of the notice is no defense in the eyes of the law.

]]> http://artofconv.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/contacting-your-users-in-the-open-stack-world/#comment-128 dsr Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:42:23 +0000 http://artofconv.wordpress.com/?p=139#comment-128 Serakit: you'll need to understand the laws and political climate of where ever your identity provider is located. There might be a business opportunity for a Switzerland or a Channel Island business here. Or Iceland, perhaps. Serakit: you’ll need to understand the laws and political climate of where ever your identity provider is located. There might be a business opportunity for a Switzerland or a Channel Island business here. Or Iceland, perhaps.

]]> http://artofconv.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/contacting-your-users-in-the-open-stack-world/#comment-127 serakit Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:13:21 +0000 http://artofconv.wordpress.com/?p=139#comment-127 So following on that logic, what happens if you have an identity provider in a diffrent country that isn't bound by US laws and court orders? So following on that logic, what happens if you have an identity provider in a diffrent country that isn’t bound by US laws and court orders?

]]> http://artofconv.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/contacting-your-users-in-the-open-stack-world/#comment-126 Justin Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:24:15 +0000 http://artofconv.wordpress.com/?p=139#comment-126 Quite likely, yes. In general, as we move away from purely ad-hoc identity into a more organized system, I think that trust in your identity provider is going to become an important issue. (Indeed, that's probably worth a posting unto itself...) Quite likely, yes. In general, as we move away from purely ad-hoc identity into a more organized system, I think that trust in your identity provider is going to become an important issue. (Indeed, that’s probably worth a posting unto itself…)

]]> http://artofconv.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/contacting-your-users-in-the-open-stack-world/#comment-125 -dsr- Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:19:05 +0000 http://artofconv.wordpress.com/?p=139#comment-125 That implies I should be looking for an OpenID service provider who is A. not me and B. trustworthy, to the extent that they have a public commitment, preferably backed by a large bond, that they will not deliberately reveal real-world identity information to anyone without a court order. Oh, and they should be located in stable jurisdiction without too many weird laws. That implies I should be looking for an OpenID service provider who is A. not me and B. trustworthy, to the extent that they have a public commitment, preferably backed by a large bond, that they will not deliberately reveal real-world identity information to anyone without a court order. Oh, and they should be located in stable jurisdiction without too many weird laws.

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