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Comment on Catching the Wave: Tempo — Up, Down and everything in-between by Catching the Wave: Prologue « The Art of Conversation

Catching the Wave: Prologue « The Art of Conversation — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:26:32 +0000

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Comment on Catching the Wave: Shall We Play a Game? by Catching the Wave: Prologue « The Art of Conversation

Catching the Wave: Prologue « The Art of Conversation — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:26:25 +0000

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Comment on Catching the Wave: Prologue by Justin

Justin — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:59:03 +0000

By and large, I’ve found that it has succeeded — in particular, for this relatively serious series of articles, that wanted lots of input on the front end, Wave has been great for that. We started out collaborating on an in-depth outline in one wave, and my colleagues have provided lots of sanity-checking as I’ve drafted the articles themselves. So yes, I’ll probably do that again.

That said, the nuts and bolts of the process still suck. I have to manually copy the drafts over to WordPress to publish them, and it turns out that that loses much of the formatting, so I wind up having to do persnickety cleanup as I go. What I really want is a joint WordPress/Wave plugin, that allows me to use Wave for drafting and then publishes directly to WordPress from there. I suspect it’ll happen, although I don’t know how soon…

Comment on Catching the Wave: Prologue by David Chilstrom

David Chilstrom — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:45:26 +0000

I’m interested in your experience working the blog drafts in Wave. That seems like a particularly good use of Wave. Do the messy back end editing in Wave and publish out to blog.

What worked? What failed? Will you Wave > Blog again?

Comment on Catching the Wave: Sprechen sie Jargon by Catching the Wave: Prologue « The Art of Conversation

Catching the Wave: Prologue « The Art of Conversation — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:56:31 +0000

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Comment on The Vexations of Text by Arnis

Arnis — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:55:16 +0000

I think it is an issue even for up-tempo conversations, perhaps even more so.

Consider the following – I’m at work. I’m on an IM system, chatting with someone who is not. I am technically present, as far as my machine can tell, but I may well be distracted. My brother and I will carry on day-long conversations, realizing that either one of us isn’t really all there. Co-workers may leave an IM sitting until they can get to it, rather than answering it immediately.

We have gotten into the habit of using an up-tempo tool for down-tempo communication. I have actually lost the expectation that I should get a fast reply in an IM system. And, by that same token, I have half-lost the idea that I really need to answer IMs promptly.

What happens when you pair me with someone who doesn’t use the tool in a work environment, who thinks that when they are in an IM conversation, it really is up-tempo? Sometimes, it gets ugly…

Comment on Catching the Wave: the Nuts and Bolts by Justin

Justin — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:28:52 +0000

You’re probably correct that it’ll be a year before the open source versions are reasonably ready for serious use. (Actually, my guess has been about 18 months.) But I agree: those are the higher priority for me as well — there are things I want to do involving the relationship of Wave and social networks that don’t seem to be high on Google’s priority list. I’m mildly involved in that open-source project, although the other new complexities in my life will probably cut into the time I was hoping to put on that.

You *might* want to look into Novell Pulse, which I gather is coopetition for Wave — similar concept, plans for connectivity, but separate implementation and designed for enterprise use. I can think of any number of ways that that might not work for you, and don’t know much about it yet myself, but it’s probably worth a brief investigation…

Comment on Catching the Wave: the Nuts and Bolts by Juniper

Juniper — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:20:24 +0000

Hah. While I do care about the implementation as it stands, honestly, I care *more* about the OpenSource version, because I really want to be running one of these servers myself, for private projects that I don’t want in Google’s cloud – and which I want backed up better than their cloud supports. I suspect I have a year or so wait ahead of me, however.

Comment on The Vexations of Text by Justin

Justin — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:57:50 +0000

Huh. Yes, that’s one of the simplest face-to-face mechanisms that we take for granted but which *can* be badly missed online: is someone actually present in the conversation?

I wonder if this is going to be a problem for tools like Wave, that are mixing the modes. In IM, it’s usually *fairly* obvious whether someone is there — indeed, that’s why presence is so crucial to any decent IM tool. In email, you at least have good reason to be uncertain. Wave mixes those up, and I don’t know if it’s going to help or hurt that clarity of whether someone is really involved or not.

(An interesting aspect of this: in Google’s implementation, the server *does* know whether messages have been read or not. I expect this to be private information, but this is an interesting argument for why it could be useful for it to be more visible…)

Comment on Catching the Wave: the Nuts and Bolts by Catching the Wave: Prologue « The Art of Conversation

Catching the Wave: Prologue « The Art of Conversation — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:59:12 +0000

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