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		<title>Twitter as the new chain letter</title>
		<link>http://artofconv.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/twitter-as-the-new-chain-letter/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just got the following retweet: Help @SesameWorkshop raise money to promote #HealthyKids! For every RT of this message, @SamsClub will donate $5! Thanks for your support! Let&#8217;s assume that this is real (it seems plausible, anyway, given what I can find online).  And granted, it looks like a good cause, and very well-intentioned. But would anybody care to place [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=artofconv.wordpress.com&amp;blog=4183298&amp;post=334&amp;subd=artofconv&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got the following retweet:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">Help @SesameWorkshop raise money to promote #HealthyKids! For every RT of this message, @SamsClub will donate $5! Thanks for your support!</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume that this is real (it seems plausible, anyway, given what I can find online).  And granted, it looks like a good cause, and very well-intentioned.</p>
<p>But would anybody care to place any bets on when this chain-tweet will ever end?  Newer social media, with one-click access to resharing, does look likely to make chain letter memes even more dangerous and ever-spreading than they have been historically.</p>
<p>Although it does seem like an interesting challenge.  What would be the perfect chain-tweet?  It would need to tug at heartstrings, look deeply plausible, have no obvious end goal or date, and still fit into 140 characters.  The above is <em>quite</em> good: can folks do better?</p>
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		<title>G+: Circles vs. Identity</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 14:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the conversation about social networking right now is of course about Google+.  I&#8217;m not going to bother recapping that: most of you know about it (and I think that XKCD summed up the current state pretty well), and a lot of you are already on it.  They do a lot right, and I fully [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=artofconv.wordpress.com&amp;blog=4183298&amp;post=327&amp;subd=artofconv&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the conversation about social networking right now is of course about Google+.  I&#8217;m not going to bother recapping that: most of you know about it (and I think that <a href="http://xkcd.com/918/">XKCD summed up the current state pretty well</a>), and a lot of you are already on it.  They do a lot right, and I fully expect it to improve rapidly, but let&#8217;s talk a bit about the biggest goof that I&#8217;ve seen so far.</p>
<p>The big deal about Google+ is the notion of &#8220;circles&#8221;.  These aren&#8217;t nearly as revolutionary as they&#8217;re made out to be (from the thousand-foot view, they&#8217;re similar to Facebook&#8217;s Lists), but they&#8217;re unusually well-executed and well-integrated.  The key observation Google made, correctly, is that most people run in multiple circles, and that those circles need to be front-and-center to the experience, not considered a minor detail.  I put a lot of information online, and different information should be shared with different circles.</p>
<p>So why, for heaven&#8217;s sake, do I have only one <em>profile</em>?  I suspect that the answer is that they simply tied into the existing Google Profile mechanism, and that they have been too influenced by Facebook.  But seriously, it indicates that they haven&#8217;t thought their own key insight through properly.</p>
<p>The thing is, for many people &#8212; possibly most &#8212; circles are more than just groups of people.  It&#8217;s not just that I am sharing different things with those people, it&#8217;s that I am potentially <em>a different person</em> to those people.  And I don&#8217;t mean in some sinister way, I mean the routine stuff: it&#8217;s almost cliche to say that we present multiple faces to the world, and it&#8217;s kind of astonishing that that hasn&#8217;t been properly recognized.</p>
<p>For me personally, this is a relatively minor detail: I&#8217;ve never tried to keep much separation between the real-world Mark and the better-known <em>nom du SCA and plume and stuff</em> Justin.  But for a lot of people, this separation really matters.  A common example or two:</p>
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<li>I have many friends who participate in alternative lifestyles of one sort or another.  For many of them, it is deathly critical that they keep that well-separated from mundane life and <em>especially</em> from work &#8212; in some cases, crossing those identities could be a career-ender.</li>
<li>Almost every teenager is on social networks nowadays.  And let&#8217;s get real: most of them want to maintain a clean separation between the family side of the network and the friends side.  That&#8217;s normal and healthy &#8212; modern parental paranoia aside, teens need space to learn and grow on their own.</li>
<li>One flap that&#8217;s blown up pretty seriously lately surrounds the question of gender identification.  That points up the fact that these different identities potentially don&#8217;t publicly identify the same way.  Specifically, I suspect that some of the women I know would very much like to have multiple profiles, some of which identify as female (mainly for friends) and others which are specifically gender-neutral (for public consumption).</li>
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<p>There are other examples, but it all ties together.  Google has bought into Facebook&#8217;s dreadfully mistakenbelief that you can and should only have one identity online, that it must be associated with your real name, and that it must be shared among all your circles.  This is uncharacteristically dumb of them: there is no good argument for it, and lots of reasons &#8212; the above and more &#8212; to kill it.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s a specific gauntlet thrown down to Google: get the identity equation right.  You got conversation mostly right with Wave; you&#8217;ve gotten a lot of the social interactions right with G+.  But your identity mechanism is just plain broken.  People should have the ability to have an arbitrary number of identities, and the requirement to tie those publicly to real-world identity should be just plain scrapped.</p>
<p>(And let&#8217;s be clear here: I&#8217;m not calling for anonymity.  Anonymity is <em>death</em> to most social environments online.  I am calling for <em>pseudonymity</em> to be officially permitted and encouraged, so that people can present the appropriate face to the appropriate circles.)</p>
<p>Opinions?  Do you present multiple faces to the online world?  Would you use multiple profiles, if the option existed?</p>
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		<title>Task-oriented conversation is demonstrated again</title>
		<link>http://artofconv.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/task-oriented-conversation-is-demonstrated-again/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s an interesting little article in Ars Technica a little while ago.  The upshot: people having conversations via SMS/text follow pretty much the behaviour patterns you would expect from a focused conversation. Basically, they built a mathematical model that describes what you&#8217;d expect from two people having a conversation that is about something &#8212; an [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=artofconv.wordpress.com&amp;blog=4183298&amp;post=323&amp;subd=artofconv&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an <a href="http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/10/parsing-the-mathematics-of-text-messaging.ars?utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=rss">interesting little article in Ars Technica</a> a little while ago.  The upshot: people having conversations via SMS/text follow pretty much the behaviour patterns you would expect from a focused conversation.</p>
<p>Basically, they built a mathematical model that describes what you&#8217;d expect from two people having a conversation that is <em>about</em> something &#8212; an initial burst of activity, then gradually trailing off &#8212; and then compared that against real-world SMS traffic data.  Not too shockingly, with some adjustment of tunable parameters, it matched.</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t anything too surprising here, but there&#8217;s an important ramification: they&#8217;re playing with the mathematics that underlie conversation.  Task-oriented conversation follows some fairly regular patterns, and they&#8217;re expressing those patterns.  This likely has implications for people building conversation systems, since it gives you an idea of what to expect and how to optimize for it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Constructive</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was posted recently, in the always-excellent webcomic XKCD: As always when XKCD is at its best, it&#8217;s both funny and thought-provoking, and quite on-target. Here&#8217;s the question is raises, though: what&#8217;s the comment equivalent of the Turing Test?  Is the issue &#8220;bot or not&#8221;, &#8220;spam or not?&#8221; or &#8220;helpful or not?&#8221; Most spambots would [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=artofconv.wordpress.com&amp;blog=4183298&amp;post=310&amp;subd=artofconv&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://xkcd.com/810/">This </a>was posted recently, in the always-excellent webcomic <a href="http://xkcd.com/">XKCD</a>:</p>
<p><a href="http://xkcd.com/810/"><img class="alignnone" title="And what about all the people who won't be able to join the community because they're terrible at making helpful and constructive co -- ... oh" src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/constructive.png" alt="And what about all the people who won't be able to join the community because they're terrible at making helpful and constructive co -- ... oh" width="480" height="172" /></a></p>
<p>As always when XKCD is at its best, it&#8217;s both funny and thought-provoking, and quite on-target.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the question is raises, though: what&#8217;s the comment equivalent of the Turing Test?  Is the issue &#8220;bot or not&#8221;, &#8220;spam or not?&#8221; or &#8220;helpful or not?&#8221; Most spambots would fail the test described here; would human-generated astroturf?  Is &#8220;constructive&#8221; the right measure to use, to distinguish between &#8220;should be posted&#8221; and not?  It might be &#8212; indeed, the product-placement industry is almost based on this concept, and it&#8217;s better than simply asking &#8220;Do you think this is a bot?&#8221;.  But now I find myself looking for the best word to <em>usefully </em>express, &#8220;should this be here or not?&#8221;</p>
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			<media:title type="html">And what about all the people who won't be able to join the community because they're terrible at making helpful and constructive co -- ... oh</media:title>
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		<title>To Bundle, or not To Bundle, that is the Question</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just got an unusually formal email from Google, saying that Google Groups is dropping a lot of functionality.  Specifically, they will no longer support customized welcome messages, pages or file storage for groups.  Essentially, they are going to stop pretending that they are competing with Yahoo Groups, in favor of trying to do a [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=artofconv.wordpress.com&amp;blog=4183298&amp;post=306&amp;subd=artofconv&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got an unusually formal email from Google, saying that Google Groups is dropping a lot of functionality.  Specifically, they will no longer support customized welcome messages, pages or file storage for groups.  Essentially, they are going to stop pretending that they are competing with Yahoo Groups, in favor of trying to do a better job on mailing lists and forums.</p>
<p>They are quite clear, however, that you can still <em>have</em> group files and pages &#8212; it&#8217;s just that you should do files through Google Docs, and pages through Google Sites.</p>
<p>On the one hand, this actually makes a good deal of sense.  One of Google&#8217;s big problems is that they have lots of systems that are overlapping, or often completely redundant.  Having two separate file-management systems is a bit silly, so refactoring and merging them makes sense.</p>
<p>That said, I worry that they&#8217;re missing a key aspect of group identity.  Saying, &#8220;You can upload a file, and make it accessible only to a group&#8221; is <em>not</em> the same thing as saying, &#8220;You can upload a file <em>within</em> your group&#8221;.  The functionality may be the same, but the perceived user experience is very, very different.  Context matters, especially when you&#8217;re mucking with communities.</p>
<p>And frankly, I find myself disappointed that they claim to be focusing on mailing lists and forums, because that&#8217;s not the interesting problem.  I would far rather that they focus on <em>community</em> and <em>identity</em>, which are really the interesting problems that have not yet been well-solved.  Forums are a good use case for those, and it&#8217;s possible that they&#8217;ll do a lot of good along the way, but I would much rather get a really great, shareable and repurposeable group-management system than just another mailing-list operator.</p>
<p>So we&#8217;ll see.  What do you think?  Does this change sound good, bad or indifferent?  Is Google going in the right direction, or are they missing the boat?</p>
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		<title>Co-editing and conversation</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found out today that Microsoft has finally added live co-editing to Word.  In Word 2010, you can have several people working in the same document simultaneously, seeing each other&#8217;s edits live as you go. On the one hand, this is a useful and interesting feature.  I confess, I&#8217;d be more impressed if we hadn&#8217;t [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=artofconv.wordpress.com&amp;blog=4183298&amp;post=303&amp;subd=artofconv&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found out today that <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/b/microsoft_office_word/archive/2009/09/09/co-authoring-in-word-2010.aspx">Microsoft has finally added live co-editing to Word</a>.  In Word 2010, you can have several people working in the same document simultaneously, seeing each other&#8217;s edits live as you go.</p>
<p>On the one hand, this is a useful and interesting feature.  I confess, I&#8217;d be more impressed if we hadn&#8217;t implemented more or less exactly this functionality at one of my earlier startups (Buzzpad) all the way back in 2002; I&#8217;m a little distressed by the fact that it&#8217;s taken MS this long to catch on.  But be that as it may, it&#8217;s still useful.</p>
<p>That said, I suspect that the process is going to turn out to be a bit weak.  (Caveat: I haven&#8217;t played with it yet, so I&#8217;m going by what the above post says.)  The reason is that they appear to have failed to think about the <em>conversational</em> nature of the interaction.</p>
<p>The thing is, when three of us are co-editing a document, we&#8217;re not doing so in isolation.  The co-editing is, usually, an interactive process, where each of us is reviewing each other&#8217;s changes, commenting on and tweaking them, and generally bouncing ideas off each other.  Sure, we can each edit in our own little silos, but that&#8217;s nowhere near as interesting and useful as a more interactive experience.</p>
<p>So we need to have a conversation as part of this.  As currently constituted, it looks like we need to do that out-of-band.  Microsoft would probably recommend opening up a Messenger conversation for it, and that works, but it&#8217;s not a great solution: it loses the document&#8217;s context, and the conversation is not itself preserved <em>with</em> the document, so it&#8217;s harder to go back later and reconstruct why you made the decisions you did.  As it stands, I suspect that I&#8217;ll wind up horribly abusing Word&#8217;s comment features to hold in-line conversations.</p>
<p>Moreover, this doesn&#8217;t do enough for the asynchronous side of the conversation.  In practice, we&#8217;ll usually be editing this document for a while; when I go away and come back, I want to clearly see the changes.  Moreover, I want to see the conversations that led up to those changes, so I can understand them properly.  You can get a bit of this with some of Word&#8217;s other features, but it doesn&#8217;t look well-integrated.</p>
<p>My guess is that MS decided to finally implement this capability because Wave scared them, and I have to say that I&#8217;m disappointed that they didn&#8217;t really learn from Wave: this is a comparatively naive-looking version of co-browsing.  The Wave notion, of a root blip (typically the document you&#8217;re co-editing) with deep conversations both embedded inside it and attached as later blips, takes the conversational side of co-editing much more seriously.  And the ability to quickly review all changes &#8212; both new conversation and edits to the blips &#8212; makes asynchronous conversation work pretty nicely.</p>
<p>So points to MS for trying, but it&#8217;s still pretty weak.  I hope they&#8217;ll keep evolving it in better directions, but I suspect that&#8217;ll only happen if the open-source Wave project continues to give them a good fright.</p>
<p>How about you?  Do you think you&#8217;d use Word&#8217;s new co-editing capability?  Is there anything that would make it better for you?</p>
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		<title>Wave isn&#8217;t as dead as you might think</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A month or so ago (while I was off on vacation), Google Wave quite publicly failed.  There was much hubbub about that, including my own analysis of what they did wrong.  What has gotten a lot less press is that this is probably the best thing that could have happened to the project. A couple [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=artofconv.wordpress.com&amp;blog=4183298&amp;post=299&amp;subd=artofconv&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A month or so ago (while I was off on vacation), Google Wave quite publicly failed.  There was much hubbub about that, including <a href="http://artofconv.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/wave-postmortem/">my own analysis of what they did wrong</a>.  What has gotten a lot less press is that this is probably the best thing that could have happened to the project.</p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago, Google announced on the Wave Blog that <a href="http://googlewavedev.blogspot.com/2010/09/wave-open-source-next-steps-wave-in-box.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed:+GoogleWaveDeveloperBlog+(Google+Wave+Developer+Blog)">they would be producing &#8220;Wave in a Box&#8221;</a>.  Basically, they already had made moves towards an open-source version of the server, the FedOne project; however, FedOne was competing with Google&#8217;s own product, so it was always a bit second-class.  Now, they&#8217;ll be beefing that project up, adding some of the UI power, as well as key features like gadgets and robots, so that the open-source version is at least roughly comparable with what Google themselves had produced, if not as full-featured.</p>
<p>IMO, this is great news &#8212; arguably better than if Google had continued the project themselves.  Wave had a lot of problems, but so long as the main implementation was closed-source and controlled tightly by Google it was subject to everything from staffing limitations to Google&#8217;s own biases about how things should work.  Now, the open-source version has the potential to let the proverbial thousand flowers bloom &#8212; it allows the open-source community to <em>experiment</em>, and figure out what really works in the wild.</p>
<p>Things I&#8217;m personally hoping will eventually evolve out of this:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>External Identity Integration</strong>.  This was the biggest single failing of Google Wave, and the biggest roadblock to adoption.  Put frankly, it sucks to have to come up with a separate &#8220;Google identity&#8221; to use the system.  The open-source version should move aggressively towards a pluggable identity system, with different modules for different needs.  In the wild, it should allow you to authenticate using OpenID or Facebook Connect.  In a corporate environment, it should allow you to integrate using Active Directory.  (The latter alone has the potential to turn this into a far more useful business tool.)</li>
<li><strong>Lighter-weight UI</strong>.  Google Wave was a very clever idea, but it got <em>way</em> out of hand in its ambitions.  One of the key impediments to adoption was the incredibly complex, sophisticated, slow, bulky client.  Frankly, everything I&#8217;ve seen leads me to believe that much of the weight comes from what have proven to be misfeatures: in particular, the customized scrollbar (which is kind of neat, but not obviously better than the scrollbars that the rest of the world uses) and the as-you-type synchronization (which is mildly useful, but which annoys more users than it helps).  So a UI that loses a few of those flashy features, but which loads and runs faster, would be welcomed by most people.</li>
<li><strong>IE Support</strong>.  Closely related to the above, really &#8212; a lighter client would be less demanding on the browser.  I confess, this matters more to me than to most folks, precisely because I <em>want</em> to use Wave in my business, and the simple reality is that most people here use IE.  I don&#8217;t expect IE6 support &#8212; but having the thing work with IE8 would be a huge plus, and IE9 is almost a no-brainer, now that Internet Explorer is looking to stop sucking so much.</li>
<li><strong>Mobile Support</strong>.  With everything centered on Google, this was hard.  But if I can create my own Wave site?  Seriously, the first thing I want is a decent mobile client &#8212; light-weight, not as full-featured, but enough to let me participate in the conversation from a small screen.  And in principle, there isn&#8217;t much preventing me from doing so.</li>
<li><strong>A Real Ecosystem</strong>.  Google claimed from the beginning that they were trying to create a whole new platform for Internet communications, but shot themselves in the foot by putting themselves too much at the center of it.  With the playing field leveled, that changes dramatically.  There is now real impetus for consistent standards, and a potentially much bigger and more complex market.</li>
</ul>
<p>Put it all together, and I&#8217;m actually excited again.  There are lots of ways it could screw up, but there&#8217;s also a real chance that this could start changing expectations about communication.</p>
<p>What am I missing here?  What <em>should</em> folks be doing with an open-sourced version of Wave?  Do you think it has a chance or not?</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Naturally, I was off on vacation and away from most of the Internet when the news broke that Google was going to cancel Wave As We Know It.  (I love my Android phone, but it&#8217;s not really the tool for serious blogging.)  Lots of people have written about the topic, mostly along the lines of, [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=artofconv.wordpress.com&amp;blog=4183298&amp;post=292&amp;subd=artofconv&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naturally, I was off on vacation and away from most of the Internet when the news broke that Google was going to cancel Wave As We Know It.  (I love my Android phone, but it&#8217;s not really the tool for serious blogging.)  Lots of people have written about the topic, mostly along the lines of, &#8220;Wave was always a piece of junk&#8221;.  They&#8217;re wrong, but the fact is that Google managed to screw this one up in a lot of ways.  Let&#8217;s go through some of the problems, and their implications.</p>
<p><strong>Lack of Patience:</strong> From what I can tell, Wave has been tossed to and fro based on management whimsy and panic; there doesn&#8217;t ever seem to have been a properly designed plan.</p>
<p>It was released <em>very</em> prematurely, when it was barely alpha-grade (and I suspect well before the engineers wanted it released), apparently because they wanted something to show off at Google I/O.  This meant that the development team had to spend the entire past year mostly firefighting, instead of doing the sort of hard and principled sanity-checking and redesign that it needed before public rollout.</p>
<p>And now they&#8217;re killing off the public project after scarcely a year: ridiculously too quickly for a product that they had sold as revolutionary.  Twitter is the exception, not the rule: most revolutions take years to percolate before finding mass-market acceptance.  (Think about ICQ, or Friendster, or Mosaic &#8212; the first version of a revolutionary idea is usually several years before it hits big.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m coming to the conclusion that Google&#8217;s biggest problem right now is that they are being surprisingly clueless about how to manage new products.  Wave is a great product at its core, and Buzz a decent one, but both rollouts have been mismanaged on an epic scale.  If Google needs to fix one thing about the company, this is it.</p>
<p><strong>Identity Integration:</strong> Everyone treats this as an afterthought, sometimes even something to be avoided for pure business reasons.  But it&#8217;s a huge problem, and Wave demonstrated why.</p>
<p>At initial rollout, Wave didn&#8217;t work with <em>any</em> existing identity system, not even Google&#8217;s own: you had to get a new &#8220;@googlewave.com&#8221; address to use it.  Even when they started to open things up, it only worked with Google IDs.</p>
<p>Frankly, this is dumb.  I understand Google&#8217;s motives for doing so &#8212; it&#8217;s technically a hair easier, and it encourages people into Google&#8217;s ecosystem &#8212; but it&#8217;s a foolish hurdle to put in front of a radical new tool that you are trying to get people to use.</p>
<p>The public is suffering a really bad case of identity fatigue: too many incompatible logins to manage.  Each one is a minor thing, but each one leads to an additional reaction of, &#8220;What, <em>again?</em>&#8221; when folks have to create another one.  In a perfect world, Wave should have been built on a generalized concept of identity that accepted, eg, Facebook logins, but at the very least it should have worked with OpenID and the rest of the open stack.  I remain extremely disappointed that Google put far less thought and effort into this problem than I did on my own for CommYou &#8212; you just can&#8217;t keep pulling this on the public and expect to win.</p>
<p><strong>Lack of a Killer App:</strong> The biggest complaint about Wave has been the constant question, &#8220;What is it <em>for</em>?&#8221;, and I have to lay a lot of blame at Google&#8217;s feet for not answering that more clearly.</p>
<p>The thing is, Wave has multiple killer apps.  It is a brilliant co-editing system, easily the best tool I&#8217;ve ever encountered for group document development.  And while it&#8217;s a bit overweight, it is in many ways the best conversation tool I&#8217;ve found to date (aside from CommYou, of course), mixing realtime and asynchronous conversation smoothly.  In general, it&#8217;s a fine collaboration mechanism.</p>
<p>Either of those (and probably other stories) <em>could</em> have been a fine selling point &#8212; but Google dropped the ball.  Instead, they simply tossed it out with a vague and confusing &#8220;It will replace email!&#8221; (what?), and never pushed any motivating examples properly.  So it never developed the core audience that any tool needs in order to survive.</p>
<p>My sometime CTO Chris Herot has occasionally lectured me about the problem of Crossing the Chasm &#8212; taking a tool that is <em>great</em> and making it <em>successful</em>.  A key element of that is always the killer app: showing at least one core group of users that they can&#8217;t live without this thing.  Google simply assumed that others would do that job for them.  That was arrogant, frankly, and it didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p><strong>Bloated and Slow:</strong> Mind, this is a hard problem, and it&#8217;s a damned sophisticated tool.  But seriously: Wave runs kind of slowly even on Chrome, and doesn&#8217;t run at all on Internet Explorer.  (No, Chrome Frame is not an answer.)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just plain unacceptable for a current web-based tool &#8212; again, it was kind of arrogant on Google&#8217;s part.  It&#8217;s <em>especially</em> unacceptable for a social tool, because social tools are all about critical mass.  If a large fraction of a community is unable to use the tool, that&#8217;s an enormous handicap, usually an insuperable one.  And much though Google might wish otherwise, a large fraction of the world is still IE-based.</p>
<p>I can sympathize with Google here, and cutting out IE6 is entirely reasonable at this point.  But not supporting at least the same browser set as Gmail was a serious mistake.  They need to trim down and optimize the UI to the point where it will run acceptably on the full range of modern browsers, if they actually want this stuff to ever be real; anything else is simply wishful thinking.</p>
<p>(The engineers in the audience might want to take note of a general lesson here.  Successful products usually follow the path of starting with a simple tool that implements a great idea, and then slowly expanding from there.  Wave did the opposite: it has a lot of pretty innovative ideas, but has proven to be a bit too ambitious for its own good, putting features ahead of the basics like broad compatibility.  I&#8217;d bet that, if you teased Wave apart into its component parts, there are half a dozen great products to be had there, that would be more successful.)</p>
<p><strong>No Mobile Support:</strong> Similar to the above, but worth calling out separately, is the fact that there hasn&#8217;t yet been any practical way to interact with Wave on a smartphone.  Nowadays, that&#8217;s pretty much unacceptable.  I mean, how can you claim to be a replacement for email and <em>not</em> have a mobile solution?</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s be clear: this is hard.  Really hard.  It&#8217;s arguably a fundamental design problem &#8212; the way Wave works, it really wants both a powerful machine and a big screen, because there is no obvious way to do the co-editing thing without it.</p>
<p>But really &#8212; Wave is, as much as anything, a conversation tool, and it is ridiculous that there is no lightweight and easy way to interact with the conversation.  Indeed, if Wave has a killer flaw, this is it.  The conversation mechanism looks and feels great (okay, I&#8217;m biased &#8212; it&#8217;s identical to CommYou), but is fundamentally tied into the co-editing.  A conversation is basically just a document that a bunch of people are co-editing together, and that means that there is no way into the conversation <em>without</em> all that co-editing weight.</p>
<p>This could probably be retro-fitted.  There needs to be a standard robot that monitors your waves and provides a two-way conversational bridge for them, an API for interacting with that, and an Android app that knows your Wave identity and talks to that robot.  A third party <em>could</em> have built that, and still could.  (Indeed, bits and pieces exist.)  But why would they?  This is core functionality, to make Google pieces talk to each other.  Google should have built it and publicized it properly, so that the hardcore members of the Google ecosystem &#8212; the sort of people who are mostly likely to use both Wave and Android &#8212; could work in a natural way.</p>
<p><strong>Poor Business Support:</strong> I&#8217;ve spent most of the past year wishing desperately that I could use Wave at work.  Not a week goes past without us getting into some ridiculously nested email conversation with ten participants, where everybody is commenting on each other&#8217;s comments, nested five levels deep, using every color of the rainbow to try to distinguish each new set of comments from each other.  It&#8217;s idiotically painful, and Wave is precisely the right tool to do this instead: it excels at deep group conversations on a complex topic.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve been unable to even suggest that we use Wave: there&#8217;s no way it would fly.  Let&#8217;s get into some reasons why:</p>
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<li>No SLAs: serious businesses require service-level agreements.  We need to be able to count on a tool that is reliable, and Wave is nothing of the sort.  This isn&#8217;t surprising &#8212; it was released at alpha-quality, and even today it&#8217;s basically a beta.  But it&#8217;s no wonder that the business community hasn&#8217;t flocked to it, if we can&#8217;t take it seriously.</li>
<li>No security assurances: I&#8217;m an engineer, and I get that nothing online is ever totally secure.  But Google hasn&#8217;t been willing to even put a stake in the ground about protecting my intellectual property, even to the degree that Salesforce does.  Without that, there&#8217;s no way I can go to my bosses and say that we should hold even casual business-related discussions there.</li>
<li>No identity integration: okay, yes &#8212; it&#8217;s probably hopeless to wish that Google would provide a way to integrate with Active Directory.  But really, it&#8217;s a huge issue.  The above problems aside, my IT department is quite reluctant (with good reason) to add a completely parallel user-management system for the company: it&#8217;s a recipe for security problems, as well as simply a maintenance headache.</li>
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<p>Of course, little of this is unique to Wave: these are common complaints about the Google ecosystem in an enterprise environment.  But it&#8217;s particularly acute this time around, because Wave is something <em>new</em>.  No Microsoft-centric shop is likely to use Gmail seriously, since MS is pushing Exchange at you so hard.  But MS has nothing even remotely like Wave, and it is a <em>great</em> business tool, so this would have been a great opportunity for Google to get their foot in the door.  Unfortunately, I think it&#8217;s been pretty much flubbed.</p>
<p><strong>Next Steps:</strong> okay, so enough about the mistakes.  What comes next?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to stick my neck out and say: Wave is dead (well, dying); long live Wave.  There are actually a bunch of reasons for optimism.  Google has said that they will be repurposing the technology elsewhere, and that&#8217;s appropriate &#8212; most of the interesting bits of Wave are infrastructure.  I&#8217;ve argued for months that combining Wave&#8217;s conversational strength with a social network (eg, Buzz) would produce the first serious competitor to the LiveJournal platform.  So I hope that Google is smart about that: that they are finally getting serious about the crossing-the-chasm problem by integrating the Wave technology inside real apps.</p>
<p>On the downside, if they don&#8217;t replace the Wave Inbox in some smart way, that&#8217;ll hurt.  Inbox is one of Wave&#8217;s quiet strengths: a concise and very effective way to catch up on what&#8217;s been going on, whether you&#8217;ve been off having dinner or on vacation for weeks.  I do worry that, if Google uses the Wave infrastructure without providing Inbox or something like it, the system will lose half its usefulness.</p>
<p>Also, there&#8217;s probably a bit of brand poisoning here.  Frankly, Google handled this a bit clumsily: by killing off the main Wave project so publicly, I think they&#8217;re going to associate the whole thing in the public mind as a failure.  That would be a damned shame, since so many of the individual pieces are so right: the failure has been mostly a management one at Google, failing to put it all together correctly.</p>
<p>But the underlying Wave protocol is open, and I think is here to stay.  Competitors like Novell are already adopting it, as are open-source projects using Wave.  I hope that projects like the Wave Forum (an open-source effort I&#8217;m helping with, to build a truly great forum system on top of Wave) will simply change gears a bit and move forward whether Google is pushing things or not.</p>
<p>So: opinions?  Counter-arguments?  What are the problems that I&#8217;ve missed above?  What pieces of Wave do you think can and should be pulled out and reused?</p>
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		<title>Okay, say it with me: Comments *are* Actions</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 17:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the good news from yesterday is that Google Buzz has opened up a bunch of APIs.  It&#8217;s officially a Labs project, so they&#8217;re doing it kind of tentatively (having been bitten in the ass by releasing Buzz itself too quickly and broadly), but by and large the new API looks pretty good. But to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=artofconv.wordpress.com&amp;blog=4183298&amp;post=286&amp;subd=artofconv&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the good news from yesterday is that <a href="http://googlesocialweb.blogspot.com/2010/05/introducing-google-buzz-api.html">Google Buzz has opened up a bunch of APIs</a>.  It&#8217;s officially a Labs project, so they&#8217;re doing it kind of tentatively (having been bitten in the ass by releasing Buzz itself too quickly and broadly), but by and large <a href="http://code.google.com/apis/buzz/v1/getting_started.html">the new API</a> looks pretty good.</p>
<p>But to my disappointment (although completely *not* surprise), it bakes flat commenting right into the data model.  If I&#8217;m <a href="http://code.google.com/apis/buzz/v1/getting_started.html#background-resources">reading this right</a>, you can have &#8220;activity&#8221; objects (like a post), each of which has exactly one Comment Collection associated with it.</p>
<p>Why does this matter?  Because it makes the usual mistake of thinking about an &#8220;action&#8221; and a &#8220;comment&#8221; as completely different things.  They&#8217;re not, and it&#8217;s pretty broken to think about them that way.  In the larger online world, they&#8217;re just elements in the larger conversation that we are each having with our friends.</p>
<p>In practical terms, there are lots of implications here.  For example, by structuring things this way, it means that threaded discussions are right out &#8212; currently ruled out by the data model, and never likely to work quite right.  On the flip side, it has no concept of the other ways that an Activity can itself be a Comment &#8212; for example, a video, or another discussion, or something like that which is spawned off from a previous one.</p>
<p>None of which is new and different, mind.  It&#8217;s just a little depressing to see Google (which often does a good job of analyzing problems) making the same mistake that so many other sites have done.  That&#8217;s doubly true now, after Wave did a pretty good job on this.  (Although Wave then tried to do *so* much in the UI that it comes out as a little intimidating.  Their mistake was the opposite: trying to expose every conceptual detail to the user too quickly.)</p>
<p>The conclusion is that, while Buzz is decent at light-touch social-grooming sorts of communication (like Facebook), it&#8217;s not likely to ever be good at deep conversation (like LiveJournal) unless they wise up and fix this conceptual problem.  That&#8217;s a pity: the world needs more social networks that have a clue about how serious conversations really work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Crowdsourcing can only take you so far</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 17:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting article here on ReadWriteWeb, about Facebook&#8217;s approach to banning.  It&#8217;s a bit hyperbolic, but assuming it&#8217;s correct (and really, it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me), it implies some dangerous naivete on Facebook&#8217;s part. The high concept is that banning on FB is somewhat crowd-sourced &#8212; if a lot of people complain about someone, FB auto-bans them. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=artofconv.wordpress.com&amp;blog=4183298&amp;post=282&amp;subd=artofconv&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/this_week_in_online_tyranny_6.php?utm_source=twitterfeed&amp;utm_medium=twitter&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+readwriteweb+%28ReadWriteWeb%29">Interesting article here on ReadWriteWeb</a>, about Facebook&#8217;s approach to banning.  It&#8217;s a bit hyperbolic, but assuming it&#8217;s correct (and really, it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me), it implies some dangerous naivete on Facebook&#8217;s part.</p>
<p>The high concept is that banning on FB is somewhat crowd-sourced &#8212; if a lot of people complain about someone, FB auto-bans them.  FB is claiming that this isn&#8217;t true, that all bans are reviewed; putting all the stories together, my guess is that the auto-ban *is* true, but that FB then reviews them after-the-fact.  That&#8217;s a plausible approach, but not a good one, since it means that a vengeful crowd can at least partly silence their detractors.</p>
<p>Mind, like I said, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s surprising: when you&#8217;re dealing with millions of users, including a fair number of trolls, and you have limited staff, you need *some* way to make things manageable.  But a simple numeric auto-ban (which this may well be) is too easy to abuse.  In our modern, polarized world, almost anybody who says anything really interesting is likely to have a crowd against them.</p>
<p>None of which means that an automated solution is impossible or evil &#8212; it just means that you need to be smart.  The story implies, quite plausibly, that there is a Facebook page dedicated specifically to listing people to attack with complaints, to get them kicked off.  If so, a smart network-detection system can pick it up.  If twenty completely random people complain about someone, the target is probably a troll.  If the *same* twenty people complain about person after person, then it&#8217;s much more likely that the complainers are the trolls (or at least, are abusing the system) &#8212; and *they* are the ones who should be banned instead.  At the least, it indicates that something suspicious is going on here, and the automated systems shouldn&#8217;t be trusted to make a decision without a human looking into it in detail.</p>
<p>Social networks are bigger and in some ways more complex than anything else the world has ever tried to grapple with.  That demands both cleverness, and openness about how you are managing them so that people can poke at those management techniques and find their holes.  I suspect Facebook is failing on both counts.</p>
<p>How would you deal with this?  Do you think automated mechanisms are even legitimate for deciding who to ban?  What tweaks should such a system put into place, to make it harder to abuse?</p>
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